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Is it feeble of me to duck it, or would it have been ridiculous to bake bread simply to make breadcrumbs...?

I have, as it were, an emergency dinner party tonight. Right now, mid-afternoon, bread is rising (for bread, you understand); stew is stewing (for stew); vegetables are roasting (for soup); potatoes are boiling (for mash). Apples are waiting to be peeled (for apple cake). The vacuum is waiting to be pushed around a bit (for cleanliness, showing willing, gestures towards). The table is waiting to be cleared (for eating thereoff).

But I wanted to make an olive crust for the stew (beef in sherry, since you ask: with carrots, onions, fennel, mushrooms, herbs & stock, but mostly beef in sherry), and I had no bread. So I was planning to bake a second loaf. Only it would actually have been a third loaf, as I was planning to bake ciabatta as well as granary, give the little darlings a choice; and - well, I ducked it. I bought a bread for the breadcrumbs for the crust.

And am quite remarkably discontented with myself. I shall be apologising for it all night now.

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Date: 2009-02-20 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
I think this is eminently sensible. Nice new home-made bread doesn't make good bread crumbs anyway.

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
You are the perfect person. For this relief, much thanks.

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellinghman.livejournal.com
Exactly. A bit stale, like toast, is better in my humble opinion.

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Is true, but I has no stale bread; I had no bread at all, so it had to be bought or made.

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellinghman.livejournal.com
Your bought bread will be less freshly baked, and therefore better for the purpose, than a loaf still hot from the oven - that's what I meant.

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Ah, right. Yup. Thanks. *feels better*

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Date: 2009-02-20 07:10 pm (UTC)
lagilman: coffee or die (Default)
From: [personal profile] lagilman
i admit -- I go to the local bakery outlet and buy the day-old stuff just for breadcrumbs.

I revel in my utter laziness (except it's a 10 minute walk each way to the outlet, so maybe not so lazy...hrm.)

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Date: 2009-02-20 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Clearly not lazy at all, when it's the Right Thing To Do. (The only thing unlazier would be to buy fresh the day before and keep it deliberately to stale. Which I have done, on occasion. But it's probably frivolous, if the day-old is sold cheaper...)

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Date: 2009-02-20 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
God, your stew sounds fabulous. How exactly do you make an olive crust?

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Heh. I invented this, and am absurdly proud. The absurdity lies chiefly in the ease thereof (it's also a bit like inventing the ham sandwich: I suspect someone may have done this before, a time or two).

Make breadcrumbs. Fry same in olive oil, till crispy. Chop up pitted black olives (or probably green, but I've only ever used black: today they are marinated in their own oil and herbes de provence, which also goes into the crust) and mix into the breadcrumbs. Layer same over top of stew and slip back into the oven for half an hour, as though making cassoulet. Or crumble. That's it. And it's really, really nice...

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
Drool! This sounds wonderful! Thank you.

Do you think we could get away with a SFF writers' cookbook?

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
Do you think we could get away with a SFF writers' cookbook?

Hell, yes! Do it!

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
Seriously.....I cook, Chas cooks, there are a whole host of US based SFF authors who are phenomenal cooks... Even if it was only online, we could do it.

*goes away muttering and thinking*

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:45 pm (UTC)
lagilman: coffee or die (Default)
From: [personal profile] lagilman
Many years ago there was a WFC-issued cookbook that had some very good recipes in it (I still have my copy, somewhere in the depths of the cookbook collection). It was an extremely popular thing...

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com
Hmmm. *thinks some more*

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellinghman.livejournal.com
Not to mention [livejournal.com profile] dduane and [livejournal.com profile] petermorwood over in Ireland.

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] timill
I have a vague impression that Anne McCaffrey did a sequel to "Cooking Out Of This World".

/me checks Abebooks: yes: "Serve It Forth".

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Hush. We weren't mentioning them.

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shewhomust.livejournal.com
I shall be apologising for it all night now.

You don't think this might be construed as showing off?

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Of course it will; of course it is. (Or "showing away", as Captain Aubrey puts it.) And this has ever bothered me when?

bread crumbs

Date: 2009-02-20 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisatuttle.livejournal.com
I can't believe you are worrying about this...your life must be lacking in more serious conflict, which, I suppose, is a GOOD thing, but -- frankly, as long as you don't go collect them off a bird-table, I don;'t think anyone really cares WHERE your breadcrumbs originated.

Re: cooking, though I enjoy it, I've always tended more to the "life is too short to stuff a mushroom" attitude. Viva shortcuts -- and short-crust pastry made by somebody else, I say.

Re: bread crumbs

Date: 2009-02-20 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Heh. I never got that Conran line; even at the time, seemed to me to be flying in the face of nature. There is always time to stuff another mushroom.

And I seldom use shortcuts, and I am still working on my pastry. (It's my sore point, my weak point; I can do okay pastry in a machine, but that is blatantly cheating. Rubbing it in by hand? Not so much. Must practise more, but that's hard when you know you don't do it well...)

Re: bread crumbs

Date: 2009-02-20 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fidelioscabinet.livejournal.com
I've seen it suggested that the fat be chilled, in fact frozen, and then grated into the flour, take make sure it's already pretty fine once it's soft enough to mix in.

I'm sure the boys would be interested in grated fat.

Re: bread crumbs

Date: 2009-02-20 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Oh, God. Can you imagine...? *imagines, all too clearly*

(The little Barry-beast got both raw and sizzled bacon for lunch today: the raw because I dropped a bit - does everybody else drop stuff, all the time, for ever? or do I have a disease, is it dropsy? - and was just too slow to prevent him; the sizzled because I was too confident that he wouldn't really snatch it right off my plate, not my Bazza, no...)

However, if we could abide the boys' desires - yup, I think I might try this. Thank you!

Re: bread crumbs

Date: 2009-02-21 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gauroth.livejournal.com
No, no, no! doing pastry in a machine isn't cheating! My mamma always used to make hers in her Kenwood Mixer: it was always especially short when she forgot about it and left the machine running too long, so it amalgamated without any need for water.

She always used a third each of butter, hard marge and lard. Angels aspire to her expertise with pastry.

Grated Cheddar included when making a end-of-the-month butter bean and root veg pie is another Good Thing. That was always a treat: I didn't realise it was extra-cheap food for years and years.

Re: bread crumbs

Date: 2009-02-21 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Angels aspire to her expertise with pastry.

My mother's also: but Mum always did it by hand, that clever rubbing-in thing, with a casual toss of the fingers and lo! 'Twas done; which is no doubt where I get my perverted sense of What Is Right in pastry-making.

She has handed the torch on to my sister, alas, but not to me...

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Date: 2009-02-20 04:47 pm (UTC)
lagilman: coffee or die (Default)
From: [personal profile] lagilman
As was mentioned elsewhere, bread crumbs are best from day-old bread, not fresh-made. So you are actually being wise and practical in not 'wasting' a new loaf on't.

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
'Cept that I still had to buy a loaf, as I didn't have any elderly heels. That's the trouble with emergency dinners, there's nothing in and you can't plan...

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bellinghman.livejournal.com
Next time you have a heel and you're wondering whether you can permit yourself a fresh new loaf instead ... well, here's your excuse. Crumb the heel and bake a new loaf.

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Date: 2009-02-20 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Hee. Will do. (And then invite someone round for dinner, to use up the crumbs...)

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Date: 2009-02-20 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martyn44.livejournal.com
And after this effusion of masochistic flagellation your emergency guests will sit back in their chairs, wondering whether they will ever be able to move again, and say - in subconscious imitation of the Ferrero Rocher advert - 'You are too kind to us.'

Olive crust? Is there no end to your sybaritic compulsions?

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Date: 2009-02-20 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desperance.livejournal.com
Olive crust? Is there no end to your sybaritic compulsions?

Dunno. I'm still lookin'.

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Date: 2009-02-20 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martyn44.livejournal.com
A man needs an ambition . . .

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Date: 2009-02-21 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maeve-the-red.livejournal.com
You are actually *allowed* to eat food you haven't created from the raw ingredients. No, really, you are.

Meanwhile, drool (I've mentally removed the meat from the stew to fit with my dietary requirements).

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Date: 2009-02-22 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pennski.livejournal.com
My perfectionism, let me show you it...

Also - it all sounds delicious!

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